MUHUBO MUSLIMIINTA
This week we
were contacted by Muhubo Muslimiinta trying to persuade us to "turn to
Islam". The following are the communications between us that transpired:
His first
email:
-----Original Message-----
>> From: muhubo muslimiinta [mailto:muhubomuslimiinta@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2012 7:34 PM
>> To: bevan.kluver@bigpond.com
>> Subject: Turn to islam
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
Our reply:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:18 PM, "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> THUS SAITH JESUS THE CHRIST, THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, HO LOGOS, THE
>> WORD OF GOD:
>>
>>
>> "NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER
>> NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED." ACTS 4/12.
>
>> "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE
>> FATHER, BUT BY ME." JOHN 14/6.
>>
>> Friend, you must repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour:
>> There is no other name that can save, not Buddha, not Mohammed, not
>> Chrisna,.... not Allah,.......ONLY CHRIST ALONE CAN SAVE,...AND HE
>> ALONE IS THE DOOR TO GOD THE FATHER AND HEAVEN: JOHN 10/1-9.
>
>>
>>
>> IF YOU DO NOT REPENT AND ACCEPT HIM AS LORD AND SAVIOUR,..YOU WILL
>> SPEND ETERNITY IN HELL: REV. 21/8, 20/11-15.
>>
>>
>> Bevan Kluver STM.
His reply:
-----Original Message-----
> From: muhubo muslimiinta [mailto:muhubomuslimiinta@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 4:08 PM
> To: Bevan Kluver
> Subject: Re: Turn to islam
>
> What is the first commandment of the ten Moses brought down from the
> mountain?
> "thou shall have no other gods before me...". Christianity is
> polyteism, assigning partners to Allah. That sin will allow you to be
> sent to the fire. Jesus never said he was God, yet you worship him as
> if he were. That is polytheism, and like idol worship, it is a sin
> against Allah (arabic for God).
> As a Muslim, I see the distortion of the Bible, it has over 364
> versions, as a means to distort the Word of God. I love 'Isa (Jesus),
> may Allah be pleased with him, as I love all of the prophets. There is
> only one Quraan, and it has never been "revised". The is only one God.
> You owe it to yourself to discover Islam.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
And our reply which
included the paper "Antichrists" attached to be found on this site
under papers:
On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:18 AM, "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com> wrote:
> THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD:
>
> "IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE
> WORD WAS GOD". JOHN 1/1. "AND I SAW HEAVEN OPENED, AND BEHOLD A WHITE
> HORSE; AND HE THAT SAT UPON HIM WAS CALLED FAITHFUL AND TRUE, AND IN
> RIGHTEOUSNESS HE DOTH JUDGE AND MAKE WAR. HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF
> FIRE, AND ON HIS HEAD WERE MANY CROWNS; AND HE HAD A NAME WRITTEN,
> THAT NO MAN KNEW BUT HE HIMSELF. AND HE WAS CLOTHED WITH A VESTURE
> DIPPED IN BLOOD: AND HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD." REV. 19/11-13. (This scripture is talking about Jesus Christ:
> "His vesture dipped in blood" is speaking about His blood He shed for
> mankind sins on Calvary on the cross.
>
> Friend, Jesus Christ is The Word of God and The Word of
> God,..........IS GOD, YAHWEH, YAH, YESHUAH.
>
> JESUS CHRIST WAS GOD ALMIGHTY MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, HE WAS/IS GOD
> INCARNATE, GOD COME DOWN TO EARTH IN THE FORM OF A MAN WITH FLESH AND BONE.
> (I have attached a paper for you to read proving the divinity of Christ).
> "HEREBY KNOW YE THE SPIRIT OF GOD: EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH THAT
> JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD: AND EVERY SPIRIT THAT
> CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD:
> AND THIS IS THAT SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, WHEREOF YE HAVE HEARD THAT IT
> SHOULD COME; AND EVEN NOW ALREADY IS IT IN THE WORLD." 1 JOHN 4/2-3.
>
> THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST, HO LOGOS, THE WORD OF GOD:
> "AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US," JOHN 1/14.
>
> "VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM." JOHN 8/58.
> "HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER". JOHN 14/9. "I AND MY
> FATHER ARE ONE." JOHN 10/30.
>
> HE IS THE GREAT I AM. (EX. 3/14). HE IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS:
> "THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM;
> AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE." JOHN 1/2-3. "HE
> WAS IN THE WORLD, AND THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, AND THE WORLD KNEW
> HIM NOT." JOHN 1/10. (just like you).
>
>
The paper I have attached is a big read, but it explains Christ`s divinity:
> I ask you to take the time to read it thoroughly and digest it fully:
> I pray Loving Father Son and Holy Ghost open your eyes to the truth.
>
> AGAIN,...."FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN,
> WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED." ACTS 4/2. You cannot come to God The Father
> except by Jesus Christ. John 14/6. Your denial and rejection of The
> Christ will see you judged and cast into "the lake that burneth with
> fire and brimstone" for eternity. Jesus Christ is Loving Father`s
> saving gift to sinful man, your rejection of HIM is a rejection of
> Loving Father and HIS salvation plan for humanity.
>
> GOD THE FATHER, GOD MANIFEST AS THE SON AND GOD MANIFEST AS THE HOLY
> GHOST,..........ALL ARE ONE. "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE". "Jesus never
> said he was God?" yes he did friend. "WHO, BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD,
> THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD: BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO
> REPUTATION, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, AND WAS MADE IN
> THE LIKENESS OF MEN: AND BEING FOUND IN FASHION AS A MAN, HE HUMBLED
> HIMSELF, AND BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, EVEN THE DEATH OF THE CROSS."
PHIL. 2/6-8.
>
> "We worship Christ as if he were God?????" Yes we do friend: THUS
> SAITH THE LORD GOD: "WHEREFORE GOD ALSO HATH HIGHLY EXALTED HIM, AND
> GIVEN HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME: THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS
> EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, OF THINGS IN HEAVEN, AND THINGS IN EARTH, AND
> THINGS UNDER THE EARTH; AND THAT EVERY TONGUE SHOULD CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER." PHIL. 2/9-11.
>
> "I love 'isa (Jesus)????" THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST,
> HO LOGOS, THE WORD OF GOD: "IF YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." JOHN 14/15.
> "REPENT: FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND." MATH. 4/17. AND
> AGAIN,..."THE TIME IS FULFILLED, AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND:
> REPENT YE, AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL." MK. 1/15.
>
> Friend, Holy Writ is over 7000 years old,........when was the quraan
> written?.......wasn`t it about 1300 years ago? And it, for the most
> part is a cheap imitation of The Law of Moses which you quoted from
> which was written above 3500 years ago.
>
>
> Bevan Kluver STM.
And his reply:
-----Original Message-----
From: muhubo muslimiinta [mailto:muhubomuslimiinta@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 8:15 PM
To: Bevan Kluver
Subject: Re: Turn to islam
Please do not contact me further. I was confirmed in chuch. I also know the Bible (the King James 1) version, as well as several other versions introduced over the years. After 45 years as a Christian, I have not lost anything, but found the clarity I desired that was not present with the various versions of the Bible, nor was there consistancy within all of the sects. I respect my Christian brothers and sisters and have fond memories of all the good people and some of the teachings I learned in church. Please do not disrespect Muslims. And The Noble Quraan by refering to it as "cheap imitation" of the the Bible. 1-800-WHYISLAM, can provide an English translation of the meaning of the Quraan for free for the asking. You owe it to yourself, as well as others you adress to make yourself knowlegeable of The Quraan, and respectful to others. Being disprepectful in tone tells me you are limited in your knowledge. Until you know what you are talking about you are an offensive speaker.
Embracing Islam, the oneness of Allah, His Books, His Messengers, His Angels, in His Messengers, in the Day of Ressurection and Al-Qadar, is the best thing ever!
Both the Old and New Testament refer to a last prophet, Mohammed. Look it up!
Surat 109 Al-Kafirun ( The Disbelievers), numbers 2-6 2. "I will not worship that which you worship, 3. Nor will you worship that which I worship.
4. And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
5.nor will you worship that which I worship.
6. To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism."
peace
Sent from my iPad
Of course he first
contacted us, now he is trying to run away? He opened up the dialogue and now
he is not willing to see it through? The errors of this dogma dictate that we
should make further comment so we did:
"Please do not contact me further???????".........Friend, you contacted me, you were the one who sent me an email: You never were a true converted Christian: If you had of experienced the sweetness of fellowship with Loving Father Son and Holy Ghost you never would have been seduced by another dogma it is impossible, the elect of Loving Father "ARE SANCTIFIED BY GOD THE FATHER, AND PRESERVED IN JESUS CHRIST, AND CALLED." JUDE 1.
"AND THIS IS THE FATHER`S WILL WHICH HATH SENT ME, THAT OF ALL WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, BUT SHOULD RAISE IT UP AGAIN AT THE LAST DAY." JOHN 6/39. If you knew Him and were known of Him, you never would have cast off your first love, you are lost because you never were found of Him in the first place.
"MY SHEEP KNOW MY VOICE, HEAR MY VOICE, AND FOLLOW ME:" JOHN 10/4,14,16,27. "AND I GIVE UNTO THEM ETERNAL LIFE; AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND. MY FATHER, WHICH GAVE THEM ME, IS GREATER THAN ALL; AND NO MAN IS ABLE TO PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER`S HAND." JOHN/10/28-29. If you belonged to God the Father, there is no way any other dogma of men would have been able to persuade you over to it.
"AND A STRANGER WILL THEY NOT FOLLOW, BUT WILL FLEE FROM HIM: FOR THEY KNOW NOT THE VOICE OF STRANGERS." JOHN 10/5. If you were a Christian, you would have recognised the strange voice in Islam and fled from it, instead you were taken by it.
"AND FOR THIS CAUSE GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE." 2 THES. 2/11....AND WHY SUCH STRONG DELUSION?........"BECAUSE YOU RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT YOU MIGHT BE SAVED." 2 THES. 2/10. SO YOU ARE NOW DECEIVED BY AN ERRONEOUS DOCTRINE OF MEN.
Bevan Kluver STM.
And just one more comment from
Straight Talk which needs to be made because of the gross blasphemy Islam makes
in replacing the prophecies of Christ in The Bible, attributing them to
Mohammed, total denial of The Son of God and the sacrifice HE made on Calvary
for all men:
Friend just one more email for you to ponder,.....the Muslim dogma replaces the prophecies of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament assigning them with references to Mohammed????? Islamic theology has twisted and supplanted Biblical Truth with heresy, lies, which are blasphemous: Your tenet assigning these Prophecies to Mohammed is elevating a mere man to be equal with God just as Satan said "I will be like the most high". (Is. 14/14). As I have already proved to you Jesus Christ was the God Man, the one who came down from glory to save men: "THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKETH AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD". (John 1/29). You have already gone too much length to inform me of polyteism which you yourself and all Muslims are profoundly guilty of by adding too, taking away and twisting Holy Writ to elevate a mere sinful man Mohammed to a place of idol worship on the same level as God: ISLAM TRIES TO REPLACE JESUS CHRIST WITH MOHAMMED, GREAT IS THE WRATH THAT IS UPON YOU AND ALL ISLAM: (PS. 2/1-7).
THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST, HO LOGOS, THE WORD OF GOD: "FOR I TESTIFY UNTO EVERY MAN THAT HEARETH THE WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK, IF ANY MAN SHALL ADD UNTO THESE THINGS, GOD SHALL ADD UNTO HIM THE PLAGUES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK: AND IF ANY MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, GOD SHALL TAKE AWAY HIS PART OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, AND OUT OF THE HOLY CITY, AND FROM THE THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK." REV. 22/18-19.
"I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST:" REV. 1/11. "AND I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPAKE WITH ME. AND BEING TURNED, I SAW SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS; AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN CANDLESTICKS ONE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN," REV.1/12-13,...........THIS IS JESUS THE CHRIST FRIEND,......"BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS,...........I AM:".
Friend, you can read and study all the man contrived dogma you wish it will not enlighten you, it will not bring you to know JESUS CHRIST, it will not bring you to the knowledge of the truth, (remember Jesus said "I AM THE TRUTH"?), IT WILL NOT BRING YOU TO SALVATION, TO ETERNAL LIFE,..... ONLY AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE SON OF GOD WILL DO THAT,...ONLY MEETING WITH HIM AND KNOWING HIM PERSONALLY, INTIMATELY WILL DO THAT.
THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST, THE WORD OF GOD:
"SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES FOR IN THEM YE THINK YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE: AND THEY ARE THEY WHICH TESTIFY OF ME. AND YE WILL NOT COME TO ME, THAT YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE.: JOHN 5/39.
Friend you have spent a lifetime studying, reading and searching out that which is written,..........BUT YOU HAVE NOT COME TO CHRIST THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIFE:
As I have already shown you, unless you repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, if your name is not written in "THE LAMB`S BOOK OF LIFE",.......YOU ARE HEADED FOR ETERNAL DAMNATION.
Bevan Kluver STM.
P. S. You made much ado about all the different interpretations of the Bible to me,......huh,....but Islam is guilty of it`s own perversion: Islam conveniently interprets Holy Writ to suit it`s version of The Bible, falsely quoting, misrepresenting, supplanting prophecies of Christ attributing them to Mohammed:.... WOE UNTO YOU:
Additional reading:
http://answering-islam.org